Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1V4SOy-0001UI-3o; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:09:00 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.219.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.43; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-oa0-f43.google.com; Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com ([209.85.219.43]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1V4SOw-0007Mz-Vx; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:09:00 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i10so960817oag.2 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:08:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.143.35 with SMTP id sb3mr30897388oeb.62.1375261733350; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.23.36 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:08:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51F886F6.1090108@gmail.com> References: <7B0891A4-7163-43AE-85EC-8BA7ADC28A2A@grabhive.com> <51F886F6.1090108@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:08:53 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Hhzt3dhK29zufHKP_ewLZ4RKBsg Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: Blibbet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4141bc16f7f204e2cb139e X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1V4SOw-0007Mz-Vx Cc: Bitcoin Dev , grarpamp , bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [bitcoin-list] BitMail - p2p Email 0.1. beta X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:09:00 -0000 --047d7b4141bc16f7f204e2cb139e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "Support" for a TPM is a rather tricky thing. By itself the TPM is independent of any CPU. However, it's also not very useful (though for Pond's use case, it works). The TPM gets much more useful when it's integrated with features on the motherboard, BIOS, CPU, northbridge, IOMMU etc. Then you have a full blown TCG-compliant TC environment, which is useful for many things. Actually it was never very useful for DRM - that was only one theoretical possibility that was never implemented and even if it had been, TC is to DRM much as cryptography is to DRM. So the FUD was just that: fear, uncertainty and doubt which probably crippled a highly useful cryptographic security tool for good. One of the more shameful periods of the tech industries history, if you ask me. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Blibbet wrote: > On 7/30/13 3:58 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > [...] And if AMD even has this stuff. [...] > > Yes, AMD does have TPM. > > Sorry, not sure which models support it. > > http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/das/Pages/security.aspx > > > http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/platforms/Pages/desktop-platforms.aspx > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your SQL database under version control now! > Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent > caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under > version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-list mailing list > bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-list > --047d7b4141bc16f7f204e2cb139e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Support" for a TPM is a rather tricky thing.
By itself the TPM is independent of any CPU. However, it&#= 39;s also not very useful (though for Pond's use case, it works).

The TPM gets much more useful when it's integrated = with features on the motherboard, BIOS, CPU, northbridge, IOMMU etc. Then y= ou have a full blown TCG-compliant TC environment, which is useful for many= things. Actually it was never very useful for DRM - that was only one theo= retical possibility that was never implemented and even if it had been, TC = is to DRM much as cryptography is to DRM. So the FUD was just that: fear, u= ncertainty and doubt which probably crippled a highly useful cryptographic = security tool for good. One of the more shameful periods of the tech indust= ries history, if you ask me.



On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Blibbet <blibbet@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
On 7/30/13 3:58 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> [...] And if AMD even has this stuff. =C2=A0[...]

Yes, AMD does have TPM.

Sorry, not sure which models support it.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/das/Pages/securi= ty.aspx

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/pla= tforms/Pages/desktop-platforms.aspx


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