Return-Path: <dev@jonasschnelli.ch> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A8558A5 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:49:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from server3 (server3.include7.ch [144.76.194.38]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACF41D4 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server3 (Postfix, from userid 115) id DF7FC2E60612; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:49:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from Jonass-MacBook-Pro-2.local (84-73-208-41.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.73.208.41]) by server3 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 442D02E602B5; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:49:54 +0200 (CEST) To: Marek Palatinus <marek@palatinus.cz> References: <57B31EBC.1030806@jonasschnelli.ch> <e740b4e0-0597-4f80-2434-70e667b7923c@gmail.com> <9c8dd0e5-e333-90c8-965f-10fb29d875a5@thomaskerin.io> <57B4113E.4010502@jonasschnelli.ch> <D41B40FA-0C75-496D-937A-0DF733FB87E2@bitlox.com> <57B44BCB.3010400@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-HhQred_E7PYRFmgzb_0gd2b+4qsFOWEGqBjfzX1PbhyxQ@mail.gmail.com> <57B55B8C.1070001@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-Hi3a5mLBkXfS4Qa=kjFCj4=GVBr4WUDZ=Tg27iX=FiCJA@mail.gmail.com> <57B58149.8000200@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-Hj8HQy9Dhx3Gx8CpmpgoiQZ2waaj9o5b6hHwda4Dm_fGw@mail.gmail.com> From: Jonas Schnelli <dev@jonasschnelli.ch> Message-ID: <57B584BF.7000004@jonasschnelli.ch> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:49:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <CAJna-Hj8HQy9Dhx3Gx8CpmpgoiQZ2waaj9o5b6hHwda4Dm_fGw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xLs7uH6xrpXVxDJ4efcGHvcmqWmRM7RFn" Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hardware Wallet Standard X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:49:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xLs7uH6xrpXVxDJ4efcGHvcmqWmRM7RFn Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="veFpeQgIQFmw2N3FQw7OX4WNdeFiptdte" From: Jonas Schnelli <dev@jonasschnelli.ch> To: Marek Palatinus <marek@palatinus.cz> Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Message-ID: <57B584BF.7000004@jonasschnelli.ch> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hardware Wallet Standard References: <57B31EBC.1030806@jonasschnelli.ch> <e740b4e0-0597-4f80-2434-70e667b7923c@gmail.com> <9c8dd0e5-e333-90c8-965f-10fb29d875a5@thomaskerin.io> <57B4113E.4010502@jonasschnelli.ch> <D41B40FA-0C75-496D-937A-0DF733FB87E2@bitlox.com> <57B44BCB.3010400@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-HhQred_E7PYRFmgzb_0gd2b+4qsFOWEGqBjfzX1PbhyxQ@mail.gmail.com> <57B55B8C.1070001@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-Hi3a5mLBkXfS4Qa=kjFCj4=GVBr4WUDZ=Tg27iX=FiCJA@mail.gmail.com> <57B58149.8000200@jonasschnelli.ch> <CAJna-Hj8HQy9Dhx3Gx8CpmpgoiQZ2waaj9o5b6hHwda4Dm_fGw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAJna-Hj8HQy9Dhx3Gx8CpmpgoiQZ2waaj9o5b6hHwda4Dm_fGw@mail.gmail.com> --veFpeQgIQFmw2N3FQw7OX4WNdeFiptdte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi > I have some experience with hardware wallet development and its > integration and I know it's a mess. But it is too early to define such > rigid standards yet. Also, TREZOR concept (device as a server and the > primary source of workflow management) goes directly against your > proposal of wallet software as an workflow manager. So it is clear NACK= > for me. The current question =E2=80=93 as already mentioned =E2=80=93 is we ACK t= o work together on a signing protocol or if we NACK this before we even have started. I'm not saying that the draft proposal I made is the way to go, I'm happy to NACK it myself in favor of a better proposal. I strongly recommend to work together on a standard that will have one central winner: the end user. </jonas> --veFpeQgIQFmw2N3FQw7OX4WNdeFiptdte-- --xLs7uH6xrpXVxDJ4efcGHvcmqWmRM7RFn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXtYS/AAoJECnUvLZBb1PsmNIQAI4jAy1kX4OWNb1ORCdiJSLW vbyfUTTXhL+SnSNWNDLLHapDnoECAecXfbEwYYdlLpQKwyzgYPCbXHAhz3AEhJiY 9PSeJdGTA0m+GNQ8kKjmZlww4CsoHyVWIYMGZla9lcJALSpfyiBqutdQ40YuolcR Arq6LD7fnvJF1TgEV12ezxJMMHCAIRnOqNfIKZg9S6pMx9cgkpe+RhlSQ/bOM+EO LGkEN1BoX8dWdIPNrJnWmwVTolEOE9ol2mX3fja5T5jhNSoGBDohE5RtX+kCCRIj OST8D5qwKaTkHnxmKCHUjJyndyLPNHDQFGLR333YlsZ+bzQR0mZ/kcKIG3ATbELV 33Emlepq3/FcoP2v0OCFmmkEMWNmUZNe2KkJbNwKcmoYOv+KPzfDulEOgn3TTtKs axiiD3jwLF4A3ug0m9+hup01WL9h4gMjfNl2SMm7KKlc1LPinBiemZ1TNg93YGQb wQW8JM+4qcf2OxX0rx6XKLfBoW90Vuyn9kencSwwjwOy0UCNrDgx9uR8wD1h+H/T qndm3KXRSf/u4QjBqTLBPpuObRI+KODdVRuYxjgfuJdI4gy5C90aNf65dLrAVvZn zFppzjqmNyqWunBlv6xpCKMSL0geZrnmXUctB2lf3bc1ySmXqhGkoLxRfPl/SvS/ g/Om1c77l/cLnJCwqXmO =hTG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xLs7uH6xrpXVxDJ4efcGHvcmqWmRM7RFn--