Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50CC0890 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:58:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 00:09:34 by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from 7.mo69.mail-out.ovh.net (7.mo69.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.50.32]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DB1CA1 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from player699.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo69.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D78360C6 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (host102-98-static.3-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it [79.3.98.102]) (Authenticated sender: simone.bronzini@chainside.net) by player699.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6CE624009A; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:25 +0200 (CEST) To: Thomas Voegtlin , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion References: <8088fa79-8e77-8663-afb4-800a405a6182@chainside.net> From: Simone Bronzini Message-ID: <2568a65f-3dad-315f-3959-cea6048ab9ba@chainside.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CUgC7XQVaUqKLmvcTV3HSBEcMS3enLfPR" X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12978248226549309769 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeelledrudeigdehiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:17:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal for Lightning-oriented multiaccount multisig HD wallets X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:58:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --CUgC7XQVaUqKLmvcTV3HSBEcMS3enLfPR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="eGlTjbuTap2jwfh0IIII70u1ibusBI78m"; protected-headers="v1" From: Simone Bronzini To: Thomas Voegtlin , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <2568a65f-3dad-315f-3959-cea6048ab9ba@chainside.net> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal for Lightning-oriented multiaccount multisig HD wallets References: <8088fa79-8e77-8663-afb4-800a405a6182@chainside.net> In-Reply-To: --eGlTjbuTap2jwfh0IIII70u1ibusBI78m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E9BF0E8C984F2351EF2E8C83" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E9BF0E8C984F2351EF2E8C83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > This will lead to old UTXOs not being recognized by NEW wallets, becaus= e > at some point new wallets will not care about implementing old standard= s. Your observations make perfect sense. That's exactly why we endorse option b. in my previous email. > The only way to address this is to get out of bip39 and bip43, and to > include a version number in the mnemonic seed. As for the idea of having a versioning on mnemonic seeds, I believe it would be a very useful feature indeed. How about opening a new, separate, topic about it? On 30/08/17 12:07, Thomas Voegtlin via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > On 29.08.2017 12:19, Simone Bronzini via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >> 2. 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