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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:32:15 -0400
From: jl2012@xbt.hk
To: Tier Nolan <tier.nolan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 100 specification
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1. I think there is no need to have resolution at byte level, while 
resolution at MB level is not enough. kB would be a better choice.

2. In my specification a v4 block without a vote is invalid, so there is 
no need to consider absent or invalid votes

3. We should allow miners to explicitly vote for the status quo, so they 
don't need to change the coinbase vote every time the size is changed. 
They may indicate it by /BV/ in the coinbase, and we should look for the 
first "/BVd*/" instead of "/BVd+/"

4. Alternatively, miners may vote in different styles: /BV1234567/, 
/BV1500K/, /BV3M/. The first one means 1.234567MB, the second one is 
1.5MB, the last one is 3MB. The pattern is "/BV(\d+[KM]?)?/"

Tier Nolan via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-09-03 07:59 寫到:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM, jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> 
>> *
>> 
>> hardLimit floats within the range 1-32M, inclusive.
> 
> Does the 32MB limit actually still exist anywhere in the code?  In
> effect, it is re-instating a legacy limitation.
> 
> The message size limit is to minimize the storage required per peer.
> If a 32MB block size is required, then each network input buffer must
> be at least 32MB. This makes it harder for a node to support a large
> number of peers.
> 
> There is no reason why a single message is used for each block.  Using
> the merkleblock message (or a different dedicated message), it would
> be possible to send messages which only contain part of a block and
> have a limited maximum size.
> 
> This would allow receiving parts of a block from multiple sources.
> 
> This is a separate issue but should be considered if moving past 32MB
> block sizes (or maybe as a later protocol change).
> 
>> * Changing hardLimit is accomplished by encoding a proposed value
>> within a block's coinbase scriptSig.
>> 
>> * Votes refer to a byte value, encoded within the pattern "/BVd+/"
>> Example: /BV8000000/ votes for 8,000,000 byte hardLimit. If there is
>> more than one match with with pattern, the first match is counted.
> 
> Is there a need for byte resolution?  Using MB resolution would use up
> much fewer bytes in the coinbase.
> 
> Even with the +/- 20% rule, miners could vote for the nearest MB.
> Once the block size exceeds 5MB, then there is enough resolution
> anyway.
> 
>> * Absent/invalid votes and votes below minimum cap (1M) are
>> counted as 1M votes. Votes above the maximum cap (32M) are counted
>> as 32M votes.
> 
> I think abstains should count for the status quo.  Votes which are out
> of range should be clamped.
> 
> Having said that, if core supports the change, then most miners will
> probably vote one way or another.
> 
>> New hardLimit is the median of the followings:
>> min(current hardLimit * 1.2, 20-percentile)
>> max(current hardLimit / 1.2, 80-percentile)
>> current hardLimit
> 
> I think this is unclear, though mathematically exact.
> 
> Sort the votes for the last 12,000 blocks from lowest to highest.
> 
> Blocks which don't have a vote are considered a vote for the status
> quo.
> 
> Votes are limited to +/- 20% of the current value.  Votes that are out
> of range are considered to vote for the nearest in range value.
> 
> The raise value is defined as the vote for the 2400th highest block
> (20th percentile).
> 
> The lower value  is defined as the vote for the 9600th highest block
> (80th percentile).
> 
> If the raise value is higher than the status quo, then the new limit
> is set to the raise value.
> 
> If the lower value is lower than the status quo, then the new limit is
> set to the lower value.
> 
> Otherwise, the size limit is unchanged.
> 
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