00:06:43 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20:58 ielo has quit 00:22:32 eristisk has quit 00:29:23 gmaxwell: guess we're not going after all :< 00:29:38 good since I have nowhere to put you all. :P 00:32:43 there was lots of space when i was there! 00:32:48 oh, that was on a holiday... 00:35:46 Mozilla office is in the process of moving (wrote mining at first…) right now. 00:37:47 antephialtic has quit 00:38:15 nsh_ is now known as nsh 00:40:42 gmaxwell: what is your primary source of income? mozilla or mining? 00:42:45 sipa, i would venture 50/50 00:42:59 (it being mining would explain your almost-typo) 00:42:59 I'm not sure if mining is really a source of income anymore just because its returning coins I spent on hardware now. 00:43:22 gmaxwell, you know whats fun 00:43:30 clowns 00:43:54 graphing return(days, daily growth rate) 00:44:35 and then looking at the negative second derivative since knc 00:44:56 it's less fun when you're a hashfast customer 00:44:59 antephialtic has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:45:18 * sipa 's last mining hardware purchase was BFL 00:45:26 i've learnt since then :) 00:45:37 heh 00:45:42 I bought an avalon 00:45:51 tacotime_, interestingly the hashfast equipment actually looks fairly well designed 00:45:55 good way to throw away monniez 00:46:02 i should have really known since i'd spent a lot of time chewing bfl out on the forum, but pulled the trigger when hashfast put up a sale. 00:46:05 i mean except from using consumer grade ATX psus and the airflow being weird 00:46:07 kinlo: not if you got batch 1 avalons... 00:46:18 gmaxwell: batch 3, severly delayed 00:46:18 phantomcircuit, it mostly works well. 00:46:27 and well overpaid 00:46:39 tacotime_, i love how the exhaust is run over the boards before it exits the case 00:46:49 my roi isn't even 50% of the purchase price, not even including power costs 00:47:24 phantomcircuit, the VRMs run pretty hot too, I cabled tied fans onto the front of the boards :P 00:47:29 so this weekend I'm going to go full throttle on the new shares calculator 00:47:30 *cable tied 00:47:35 eh, wrong channel 00:47:46 I really just wish bitcointalk would ban both bfl and hashfast 00:48:15 yea. I think the only profitable devices are Avalon B1 and Bitmain S1s maybe a smattering of bitfury that got good deals and timing.. and I've had reports from someone who got some of the very first KNC units that inist they mined back their coins, but it doesn't look like that for most peoplle. 00:48:34 tacotime_: banning people doesn't really help though. I don't think they're gaining any customers there. 00:48:50 Yeah. 00:48:57 gmaxwell, the very very first batch of knc units had a positive return assuming that you received a fully functional unit 00:49:00 My October bitfury almost roi'd 00:49:10 in reality the average for kncs first batch was about 250 Gh/s 00:49:27 (220 if you include completely dead boards) 00:49:45 Now all my asics are out to pasture on the peercoin network *tear* 00:49:47 I believe the two antminers I got (in dec and jan) have paid for themselves, maybe not including power costs yet. 00:50:03 gmaxwell, the s1 or the usb thingies 00:50:06 S1s. 00:50:24 I have two S1s and a prototype half-S1 that bitmain gave to me for testing. 00:51:36 My CT box is never going to mine back its coins, even with the extra unit they're supposted to send me .. in March.. uh what month is it? 00:51:45 gmaxwell, do you have them setup with ducting? 00:52:08 iirc the bitmain things get ridiculous hot if you dont try to control the airflow 00:52:46 they're not that hot and I only have the 2.5 of them. they're just sitting on a shelf in a rack. also, it's cool here.. they actually run at medium fan speed. most of the time. 00:53:16 though have you seen their schemetics? they're running their voltage regulators at like 400% rated current... seem to be holding up okay though. 00:53:39 I think they were originally designed as 100GH/s devices and serverely over-performed. 00:54:34 gmaxwell, at the texas conference they said that their "next gen" of S1s is just the same thing with every chip undervolted to hit <1 W/GH/s 00:54:48 ttttetra has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:54:51 So maybe you're right and those are the original specifications 00:55:00 gmaxwell, yeah the chips on those have weird behaviour 00:55:42 they're not super sensitive to the hilarious amount of rf noise coming from the boards though 00:55:44 which is neat 00:56:08 irclouis_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:56:14 apparently that's the lower bound on the hashfast 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01:00:23 asoltys_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:00:50 so far the antminer stuff has been the best bitcoin hardware I've used. 01:01:04 but there is a lot of room to improve still. 01:01:10 my bitfury stuff has been rock solid 01:01:56 asoltys has quit 01:02:32 tacotime_, the chips are suspiciously identical 01:02:52 bitfury has like 20-30 board designs too 01:03:03 they could actually be the exact same thing with different names 01:03:40 has anyone delidded and stripped them? 01:03:45 BlueMatt has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:04:03 they have a different on the wire protocol. 01:04:08 flammit has quit 01:04:08 cajg has quit 01:04:08 iddo has quit 01:04:09 justusranvier has quit 01:04:09 flammit has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:04:09 so they're not the same chip. 01:04:17 Sorcier_FXK has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:04:21 though they are pretty similar in their overall performance. 01:04:24 andytoshi has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:04:25 helo has quit 01:04:31 iddo has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05:13 gmaxwell, isn't there a microcontroller on the antminer boards? 01:05:26 unlike my hashfast miners my bitfury has trimpots to adjust voltage too, so i'll probably be running them longer. :P 01:05:27 there isn't one on some of the bitfury boards 01:05:47 helo has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05:50 tacotime_: software voltage control > trimpots 01:05:57 was about to say 01:06:07 Luke-Jr, ideally, but hashfast has neither so far 01:06:16 tacotime_, they do it's just not exposed yet 01:06:22 oh, thank god 01:06:24 (or so i was told by a hf engineer) 01:06:34 although maybe that's only for their v2 board design 01:06:48 it looks like they completely redid the board to use easier to source components 01:06:56 Well, I'll probably voltmod these soon anyway if I can figure out how to 01:07:03 justusranvier has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:07:30 phantomcircuit: basically, yes 01:07:30 inb4electricfire 01:07:41 phantomcircuit, electric fires are part of it, man. 01:08:20 c0rw1n has quit 01:09:23 mostly I just want to be able to crank the vcores down 01:09:25 phantomcircuit: I don't think they do, but I haven't really looked, would be funny if they were pirated bitfury masks. 01:09:46 gmaxwell, im pretty sure they're bitfury chips 01:09:58 those guys have all kinds of crazy reseller things 01:10:11 yeah bitfury was selling reels like crazy 01:10:20 hell they might have made a chip specifically for antminer that was slightly different to disguise it 01:10:47 55 nm with that performance is pretty impressive as well 01:11:09 tacotime_, iirc he basically hand drew the entire mask 01:11:26 crowex has quit 01:11:26 yeah, it's a work of art 01:11:56 http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/bitfury-bitcoin-mining-chip 01:14:10 tacotime_, the power distribution network is hilarious 01:16:36 but it works ;) the m board voltage distributions between h cards is really wacky too if i'm remember correctly 01:19:21 thrasher has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:19:21 Dyaheon has joined #bitcoin-wizards 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coin with a "useful" PoW? e.g. Miner does some protein folding computation, then publishes a SNARK for the computation that is then verified by other miners? 02:01:39 i guess, but it would be a horribly inefficient protein folding :) 02:04:19 asianbro has quit 02:05:33 asianbro has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:11:59 jtimon has quit 02:13:27 copumpkin has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:17:40 antephialtic: maybe but thats not clear. 02:17:53 antephialtic: it may make the verification fast, but it doesn't prove there is no shortcutting. 02:18:21 (though perhaps constructing a shortcut is hard in practice) 02:18:45 and the enormous (e.g. 10,000x) slowdown in computation probably makes it uninteresting. 02:19:19 tacotime_: turned off? so does it have the "POS simulate a history were you found all the blocks" problem? 02:19:56 gmaxwell: i'm guessing, it's a straight fork of novacoin. checking the github now 02:22:00 bool ComputeNextStakeModifier(const CBlockIndex* pindexPrev, uint64& 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