00:04:49 Mike_B has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:05:55 HM is now known as HM2 00:25:55 Luke-Jr has quit 00:26:44 Luke-Jr has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:28:50 Yet another wallet 00:28:54 geticoin.com 00:29:25 FLOSS app Mac/Win/Lin 00:29:32 kiiiinda looks like the qt client 00:30:29 Yech, a scamcoin, nevermind 00:30:34 .. was about to say 00:30:36 lol 00:30:45 Algorithm: Scrypt 00:30:47 fail 00:31:11 DougieBot5000 has quit 00:46:04 jgarzik: if you want another actual new wallet, look at kncwallet 00:46:23 it's a fork of andreas' android app, + integration with their own server for matching phone numbers to public keys 00:46:34 so you can send money to people in your contact list 00:46:46 they're incentivising new users by giving $5 of free coins 00:47:16 hm 00:48:44 they redid the ui too 01:00:40 Sangheil- has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:02:02 cpacia has quit 01:04:36 bebopzzz has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05:12 adam3us has quit 01:08:07 cpacia has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:11:09 gmaxwell: omg, your reddit guy just posted "who cares, people can trust bc.i to audit gox" 01:16:43 andytoshi: sorry, I can't see your text through my cracked screen. 01:16:56 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 01:17:08 (not really— but it did kinda make me wonder if he was just trolling me) 01:18:03 TD: andreas app is GPLv3, did they release source? 01:18:28 yes 01:19:08 I thought Android store was anti-GPL? 01:21:04 Luke-Jr: that's was apple 01:23:54 TD has quit 01:30:20 zooko has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:30:51 ah 01:31:14 Sangheil- has quit 01:32:09 zooko has quit 01:32:31 wallet42 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:39:34 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 01:42:38 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 01:46:34 samesong has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:52:59 <[\\\]> [\\\] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:58:51 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 02:01:43 copumpkin is now known as sarah 02:01:53 sarah is now known as janice 02:03:17 janice is now known as janedoe 02:11:11 janedoe is now known as copumpkin 02:12:48 thrasher has quit 02:12:49 thrasher has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:12:52 c0rw1n has quit 02:17:41 kanzure has quit 02:18:01 samesong has quit 02:19:53 ens_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:20:24 ens has quit 02:20:28 ens_ is now known as ens 02:23:45 does anybody have a Tor address that I can -addnode? 02:25:32 try mtzcz5knzjmuclnx.onion 02:25:47 often it is down, i have my tor node bandwidth capped 02:34:22 antephialtic has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:35:16 bebopzzz has quit 02:37:17 nomailing has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:39:09 nomailing has quit 02:43:57 kanzure has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:46:24 adam3us has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:48:17 wallet42 has quit 02:50:38 ttettra has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:56:39 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:03:42 Luke-Jr: android/google is anti-*A*GPL 03:36:47 shinybro_ has quit 03:36:52 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 03:39:57 rs0 has quit 03:40:43 rs0 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:42:21 gmaxwell: what's the nick of the guy that recently proposed a blind signature scheme for ECDSA? 03:44:03 oleganza 03:45:39 so about the blind ecdsa i was wondering (because its not a conventional blind scheme) if this is a simpler way to get the effect he gets, or even getting reuse 03:46:28 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 03:47:34 so eg create a random private key d, choose a random value e, keep d'=d-e, encrypt e for the servers public key. when you want to sign, talk to the server provide your out of band auth, get it to decrypt 03:48:26 that seems to do everything he proposed and also allow reuse (you cant reuse his blind sig because if you reuse k, the private key can be computed from the two signatures) 03:50:29 what do you mean 'encrypt e for the servers public key' 03:51:38 i spent quite a while trying to get reuse, the nature of ecdsa seems to block that without the server being able to learn too much 03:52:30 andytoshi: say the server as an ecdsa public key advertised, or an RSA public key; encrypt e with that public key. now when you want to sign, ask the server to decrypt the encrypted value you sent and send it back to you. then you can recombine d=d'+e and then you can sign yourself. the properties seem to be the same, slightly more flexible even and simpler. 03:53:55 hmm, yeah, wow 03:55:52 fwiw in oleganza's proposal the user never sees the complete key, so if he can't trust himself for some reason (maybe he thinks he is keylogged say) there could be a problem here 03:56:50 andytoshi: well (yes i was just going to say the same thing). his blind ecdsa is a bit more like a multi-party sig. or a third party sig - its a sig from teh server with a key the user never knows. 03:56:54 shinybro_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:57:14 for your proposal you could do even simpler, the server chooses e and gives the user eG 03:57:33 that's enough for the user to produce (d-e)G and create a txout that requires (d-e) to sign 03:59:02 the interaction pattern is a bit different there, your proposal doesn't require a setup phase 04:00:36 adam3us: I thought about this and I think I have a class of applications where thats not enough. :) 04:01:17 andytoshi: yep. in theory if the address is one use, it doesnt matter much to temporarily receive the private key. the signature is just as sensitive as the private key (so long as you succeed to have it mined before the private key is stolen from you) 04:02:05 adam3us: Say that andytoshi and I want to make some kind of futures contract. If bitstamp prices do X one set of payouts happen, of bitstamp prices do Y another set of payouts happen. You are our oracle that will observe bitstamp and sign our transactions. But we really don't want you to ever be able to tell which txn were ours, since we don't want you tracing our funds or knowing the value of our transactions. 04:02:43 adam3us: with the blind signature scheme andytoshi and I can sign off on a set of blinded values which you are to choose from and sign based on the result. Because both andy and I are not mutually trusting, there is no one person you could just give a secret key too. 04:02:57 Though we could cooperate in the creation of the blinded values for signing. 04:03:31 gmaxwell: maybe a 1 of 2 could do the trick (two different e values)? 04:03:47 gmaxwell: (multisig 1 of 2) 04:05:27 btw this article from jesse powell (ceo of kraken) seems more plausible theory about mtgox http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html 04:05:35 well only if the transaction are just pays 100% / 100%.. but what if some of the payoffs were like 50/50 and so you must constrain the outputs. 04:06:49 gmaxwell: doesnt constraining things require knowledge of the hash, invalidating the blinding? 04:07:02 it's not blind to andy and I, but it's blind to you. 04:07:13 particularly this bit of speculation "Gox was robbed of a massive amount of coins (800k+) at some prior point in time, possibly June 2011, and has been operating a fractional reserve since." 04:07:35 "Gox determined that it was better to continue operating the exchange, probably both for the sake of Bitcoin, and for their customers who would eventually be made whole from fees earned." 04:07:48 I don't know thats thats plauable to me either. because you're not going make whole from fees 800k of coin. 04:07:58 <[\\\]> +1 04:08:48 adam3us: hey, is it okay if I book SJC for my return flight? 04:09:22 even if you made 1k btc/mo in fees, that would be 66 years of operation... 04:09:38 shinybro_ has quit 04:11:28 gmaxwell and i could create two txes, one 80/20 to me and the other 20/80 to him, where say the 80% output in both cases can't be spent without adam's cooperation 04:11:31 gmaxwell: but seemingly when faced with monstrous problems, people will take the ostrich and wishful thinking approach to kick the problem down the road (and also then they can do a bernie madoff and collect untenable profit in the mean time, gamble further with client funds... gambling) 04:11:37 gmaxwell, That doesn't really matter. Once you are fractional reserve, the perspective really changes. 04:11:51 From the user's perspective, they just care that -they- get their withdrawals. 04:12:25 So if you have a sufficient collection of idiots (using for "cold" storage) and active traders, you just have to dog-paddle and keep your head above water. 04:12:54 Not saying it's right or moral, but at the end of the day, the reserves matter less than satisfying day-to-day needs, for many users. 04:13:27 As long as withdrawals continue to flow, people will not care if MtGox is 1% reserve 04:13:39 sure but if that were the case it would have to all come crumbling down at some point. And maybe there was some reality distortion field that kept that hidden... I suppose you could say the same things about many public instutions... not sustainable. 04:13:51 yep 04:13:56 palpable irony 04:15:01 I suppose there was also a possiblity of doing something like getting an underground drug market to deposit their coins and get them arrested... or fake a hack of a compeating bucket shop market that was storing their coins on mtgox to makeup the loss.. if you're willing to take all pretext of good behavior away. 04:15:23 espes__ has quit 04:15:33 maybe when bitcoin was just $10 you thought you could get an investor with $10m ... but it didn't happen. 04:15:37 jgarzik: i think they might if they knew it, but it could remain undetectable to users that they are fractional, and they could keep going until they hit a bank run scenario. so long as they kept the news flow positive or created reasons for deposits... 04:16:19 actually if it really was a long time ago.. when bitcoin was like $10.. it would have been plausable to have an investor cover it. 04:17:24 although not after 8 months of thorough brand tarnishment 04:17:24 it wouldn't have been implausable until the this time last year or so. 04:18:23 warren: I mean, they could have been shopping for an investor from the time of the theft through jan 2013... maybe they even got the $10m and were hoping for the price to go down a bit before buying in with it. 04:18:28 and then the price ran away. 04:19:01 and then they just haven't come to terms with that because it didn't happen all at once. 04:19:32 and then you have to wonder if that (widely believed to be) mtgox triggered crash the first time it got over $200 was actually an accident. 04:20:13 I highly doubt they did any of this intentionally. 04:20:14 since it seems abundantly clear that either MT is a massive idiot or they were _intentionally_ trying to crash the shit out of the price a couple weeks ago. 04:20:54 well take your pick, I don't think there was anything worse they could have done which would have after the fact been plausably denyable as their honest position, though maybe I'm being too critical because it shocked me so much. 04:20:55 I'm leaning towards idiot. 04:21:00 what happened a couple weeks ago? 04:21:11 the bitcoin is flaws press release on the 10th. 04:21:17 er s/flaws/flawed/ 04:21:20 oh 04:21:25 that long ago already *rubs eyes* 04:21:29 yea I know 04:21:31 CodeShark has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:21:45 heh 04:28:12 makes you wonder if bitcoinbuilder did them in 04:28:15 espes__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:28:52 by drying up the market on mtgox 04:32:33 Sangheil- has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:33:57 tromp has quit 04:34:32 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:37:54 warren: the self-sabotaging brand mismanagement was nuts. seems like their worst enemy was their own management. though if they were hiding much worse stuff (multi year fractional operation) maybe some of their strange pr would look less stupid with that context 04:38:52 even though we know they did have banking issues, how much of the "fiat" withdrawal delays causing the price discrepency were realted to just not having enough 04:39:12 and "oh the US gov seizing millions doesnt hurt us at all" 04:39:14 tromp has quit 04:49:41 cpacia has quit 04:51:06 Sangheil- is now known as Sangheili 04:51:53 cpacia1 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:52:40 shinybro_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:52:56 cpacia has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:53:22 cpacia has quit 04:53:27 the start of legal action : http://www.goxbux.com/ 04:55:55 "We Aim To Help" <-- help who? 04:56:13 "We are 11 individuals affected by Mt.Gox who lost $52,400 + 1362.596 BTC…and growing." <-- really? that's not all that much for 11 people 04:56:27 cpacia1 has quit 04:57:40 at least they have a pretty website 04:58:53 suspect 04:59:41 * Luke-Jr sends them an email suggesting they go after law enforcement to find and prosecute the thief 05:04:12 are people screaming for regulation yet or not 05:04:32 * BCB reminds them Preet Baraha is on the case 05:04:52 Emcy_: existing regulations are fine 05:05:10 I'm screaming for bitcoiners to demand voluntary transparency from exchanges though 05:05:30 maaku_: I think BB actually created a lot of trades, but it also equalized prices between the exchanges somewhat. 05:05:45 maaku_: speaking of BB... it's still operating. 05:06:42 I emailed the guy running it and told him that I'd be concerned that the people with goxbtc there will not have standing to sue mtgox (gox owes them nothing) and will go after him instead, and that he should convince got to let him back in to drop funds back into accounts... and get out of the way. 05:06:46 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:06:47 He was not impressed with my advice. 05:07:42 too sensible 05:10:05 samesong has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:11:29 tromp has quit 05:13:36 shinybro_ has quit 05:13:43 well, he's apparently holding 2500 goxbtc— he took all his profits and bought goxcoin. 05:14:42 o.O 05:16:50 gmaxwell, that's hilarious 05:17:08 the guy was operating an exchange on the basis that their value wasn't 1:1 05:17:09 Is there some commonly accepted way to estimate, even as a first approximation, the percentage of coins that are likely to be lost? I'm thinking you could come up with something half-assedly sensible using days-destroyed or whatever. 05:17:13 ffs 05:17:43 to clarify, i mean "likely to be lost" right now, as in estimate the percentage of coins that are probably parked there forever and not going anywhere 05:18:22 phantomcircuit: well it doesn't have to be 1:1 to make that a good trade.. e.g. if you think you'll get 25% back in recievership and you bought at 10%... 05:18:40 Mike_B: there is no timeframe on the thefts. 05:19:00 gmaxwell: i just mean in the abstract sense, completely removed from the gox situation 05:19:32 Luke-Jr i read a thing about how someone mathematically proved that madoff was running a colossal scam like ten years before it came down 05:19:42 as in, some way to estimate the total percentage of coins in the entire money supply that are probably lost by now 05:19:53 Mike_B: huh? I don't think any actual coins are likely to stop circulating. 05:19:54 so what if demanding exchanges open thier books makes the assumption that people care 05:19:58 shesek has quit 05:20:09 Mike_B: and no there is no way to measure the overall coins out of circulation at all. 05:20:53 hmm i need new glasses 05:20:58 "Concerns about Madoff's business surfaced as early as 1999, when financial analyst Harry Markopolos informed the SEC that he believed it was legally and mathematically impossible to achieve the gains Madoff claimed to deliver. " 05:20:59 gmaxwell: coins will stop circulating if private keys are lost, and that must happen to some percentage of coins every year 05:21:05 can only barely see the 8pt font 3 ft away 05:21:31 Mike_B: I thought you were still talking about mtgox related things on my second to last message. in my last message I was answering your actual question. 05:24:06 k, thanks 05:24:57 i thought a good first-approximation estimate might be to consider that wallet A is more likely to be considered "lost" than wallet B if a) A hasn't spent outputs as recently as B, and b) the current balance of A is more than B 05:25:13 kind of reminiscent of days-destroyed, but still not sure how to turn those assumptions into a workable model 05:27:13 you can't identify 'wallets' in the blockchain, only addresses. I have coins in my fairly active online wallet that were last moved in 2011. 05:29:28 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 05:29:34 yeah, should have called it an address, but the idea is that it tracks addresses atomically, not individual utxo's within that address being spent 05:32:24 obviously this is just a statistical model which would say that the address you're talking about is only "more likely" to be lost than an address with ฿1 in it that was used yesterday 05:33:15 yea, and I'm pointing out that it doesn't work. even a very active wallet may well have lots of really cold utxo. you could get a little entropy out of such a model, but not much. 05:35:06 qwertyoruiop_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:41:29 gmaxwell: fair enough. maybe i should think about coins in "effective circulation" rather than trying to assess actual coins being lost 05:41:41 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 05:42:07 qwertyoruiop_ is now known as qwertyoruiop 05:42:34 or "recent circulation" or etc. the thing I'm thinking of is something more like the convolution of days-destroyed with some kind of causal spreading function, like an EMA, so that days-destroyed spikes "persist" for a while until they die down - but that's still measuring bitcoin-days, not actual coins in circulation, and that's still a few steps removed from an assessment of the total effective money supply. 05:43:33 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 05:48:20 samesong has quit 05:59:13 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 06:02:32 shinybro_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:11:17 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 06:12:35 shinybro_ has quit 06:15:58 nsh_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16:59 nsh has quit 06:23:39 ttttetra has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:24:09 Ursium has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:24:16 Ursium has quit 06:25:15 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:25:45 ttttetra has quit 06:25:58 ttttetra has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:26:50 ttettra has quit 06:26:57 ttttetra 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13:42:01 tromp has quit 13:42:35 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:46:38 tromp has quit 13:51:32 petertodd, are you legally a full-time employee of Mastercoin or an independent consultant contracting for them? 13:52:05 I'm just curious, I'm not sure why it even matters, but their blog post indicated you were a full time employee 13:52:09 http://blog.mastercoin.org/2013/12/06/first-full-time-scientistdeveloper-hired-peter-todd/ 13:57:06 Emcy has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57:16 gavinandresen has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57:54 c--O-O has quit 14:00:38 amiller: well, I've never signed anything, so I'm taking the position I'm consulting for them 14:02:07 just[dead]: re: coinbase's consensus, I don't make tx's with the intent of forking them, rather I just make ones that I know it's highly likely that an alt-implementation would get wrong because they're not obvious 14:04:59 mike4 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08:43 ttttetra has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08:53 petertodd: mastecoin will use OP_RETURN, do they have defined some 4byte prefix for their messages? 14:10:41 wallet42: no, and mastercoin doesn't only use op_return 14:11:22 i know, they use multisig too, but i was told on a conference that they will use op_return soon 14:11:38 maaku_: https://s3.amazonaws.com/peter.todd/1-287793.dups.bz2 <- dups thing, record holder is a satoshidice addr with 288,580 dups of 0.01 btc (!) 14:12:11 wallet42: op_return will be supported sure, but support for other encoding will be kept too, even non-provably unspendable 14:12:18 ttettra has quit 14:14:30 profreid has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:14:42 rdymac_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:15:19 maaku_: funny stat: there's 20 txouts with the dust-b-gone bare OP_RETURN scriptPubKey format 14:16:24 roidster has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:19:17 rdymac_ has quit 14:21:12 nsh_ has quit 14:24:56 how many txos are we haing right this moment? 14:25:27 9,328,072 or ~325mb 14:26:07 whats the struct? 14:26:17 bitcoind gettxoutsetinfo <- command ot get that 14:26:24 struct? 14:26:41 the data structure 14:26:53 leveldb database 14:27:12 antephialtic has quit 14:27:34 indexed by txid:vout i assume 14:27:45 yup 14:27:54 and contents is value_satoshi + scruptPubkey 14:28:11 indexed by txid, actually 14:28:30 okay so you store {txid: [ 14:28:32 and the value is txversion, txiscoinbase, height + list of unspent outputs 14:28:38 thx 14:28:44 see coins.h 14:29:32 i would really love to read more source to get answers to the basic questions and not bother you about that, but it so hard to find the "where to look" 14:29:56 i'll gladly tell you where to find what :) 14:30:35 okay :) 14:31:12 rdymac_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:33:35 rdymac_ has quit 14:39:51 <[\\\]> [\\\] has quit 14:40:08 c0rw1n has quit 14:41:32 emsid has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:42:09 Ksipaxx has quit 14:44:26 wallet42 has quit 14:45:27 vdo has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:46:40 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:48:57 c0rw1n has joined 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implementation of it) 16:07:37 Ksipax has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:21:45 DBordello has quit 16:23:02 rdymac has quit 16:25:39 adam3us has quit 16:27:31 rdymac has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:33:35 c0rw1n has quit 16:38:35 Emcy has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:38:35 Emcy has quit 16:38:35 Emcy has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:43:25 antephialtic has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48:56 mike4 is now known as c--O-O 16:49:03 c--O-O has quit 16:49:04 c--O-O has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:49:04 c--O-O has quit 16:49:04 c--O-O has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:51:42 vdo has quit 16:56:16 adam3us has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:59:54 Anybody here going to TrustyCon today? 17:00:25 zooko: not me but have you looked at maidsafe? seems like it's up your alley 17:05:41 Persopolis has quit 17:11:01 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has quit 17:11:59 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:19:03 gavinandresen has quit 17:19:21 weex: I've heard about it a couple of times. 17:19:31 weex: the CEO (or someone) from there posted to a mailing list that I run: 17:20:08 http://lists.zooko.com/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2014-January/003196.html 17:20:32 c--O-O has quit 17:20:59 mike4 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:22:13 bye for now 17:24:41 people seem to be claiming from analysis that mtgox might still have 400k btc. analysis is probably a bit imprecise. speculation is that they lost the private key, or it is stored in a bank vault and legal issues (eg court case and gag order for reimbursement of funds) has caused the bank to bar access, and bar Karpeles from talking about it.. hmm. it sure would be good to get some better analysis of the gox address 17:24:51 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z37zw/mt_gox_has_at_least_200k_btc/ 17:26:12 samesong has quit 17:26:40 samesong has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:27:05 zooko has quit 17:28:27 Guest94002 has quit 17:28:27 Guest94002 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:28:37 Guest94002 is now known as UukGoblin 17:28:57