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01:11:13 01:11:26 https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html 01:12:26 mappum has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:13:11 ...holy crap 01:13:57 sipa: Thanks 01:14:04 Deuplonicus has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:14:08 but I don't think petertodd was referring to that 01:14:34 unless he's remarkable prescient :) 01:14:40 *bly 01:14:42 I don't think that's a bug that could have killed someone, and it's recent 01:14:51 It wouldn't be a "usual story" 01:14:59 right 01:15:15 just sounded remarkably similar: indentation as syntax, and C 01:15:22 it did remind me of a "usual story" though: reflections on trusting trust 01:15:30 (as the update mechanism to fix this bug is secured by... ssl) 01:17:02 nsh: *an* update mechanism 01:17:34 * nsh nods 01:18:56 Deuplonicus is now known as _captjet23 01:19:32 (i'd guess the preponderance of devices affected will be patched over the network) 01:21:01 Possibly 01:21:16 Definitely the majority of OS X machines will 01:21:56 Since updating a Mac w/o the 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needed to alert the operator if some conditions went out of range. this power supply being on an airplane not getting a timely alert of an impending fire could be very, very, very bad, yet for other reasons it wasn't as simple as "just make it shut down" 06:37:37 michagogo|cloud: so I wound up spending a good month writing, like 100 lines of firmware that tested some sensors and figured out what lights to flash. stupidly trivial, but by god I was going to make sure it worked perfectly under any circumstance - I didn't even have a single loop in the code and relied on the watchdog timer for that, thereby testing it's functionality constantly! 06:39:24 michagogo|cloud: of course, I handed it off to our main firmware developer later, who fucked it up in various ways, including making it possible for the warning lights to stay dark in the event of an abnormal condition - the latter bug being solidly indentation related and just like the apple one, would have been much harder to make in python 06:50:02 tromp has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:54:05 freewil has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:54:57 tromp has quit 07:02:02 petertodd, RE indentation 07:02:36 petertodd, This Apple SSL bug is an excellent example of a possible NSA implant in open source 07:03:06 An open source implant is certainly not impossible. You just have to work harder to hide in plain sight. 07:03:06 absolutely, just dumb enough to convince people otherwise 07:04:21 jgarzik, to be fair im not aware of *anybody* who has ever reviewed that code 07:05:14 what apple gets for writing thier own version of everything 07:05:59 phantomcircuit: and what's hard about it is stopping people who have been paid off to sabotage your projects is incredibly difficult from a social point of view 07:14:55 oh 07:14:59 gmaxwell isn't here 07:15:18 but i actually expect mtgox to keep generating invalid transactions of all kinds for a while 07:15:29 even after they reinstate transactions 07:15:40 because of saved tx's in their wallet? 07:16:02 nope 07:16:26 because the business case for fixing it (which iirc was <1% of transactions) isn't as obvious as preventing double withdrawals 07:16:37 they can fix double withdrawals without fixing invalid transactions 07:16:45 (and indeed it would be much faster) 07:18:19 true 07:18:34 shesek has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18:59 for sure if i was them it wouldn't be my top priority 07:21:57 eristisk has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24:08 mappum_ has quit 07:31:57 Guest73215 has quit 07:31:57 Guest73215 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:32:17 Guest73215 is now known as UukGoblin 07:46:53 shesek has quit 07:58:47 :-/ what the heck, where do they get access to minted coined anyway and why are there so many of them for mtgox to spend 07:59:00 ? 08:00:04 midnightmagic, people set their eligius address to mtgox addresses 08:00:15 iirc that accounts for 100% of them 08:00:19 ah. that makes sense. 08:00:35 That would explain why they're trying to spend them too early too 08:02:23 MoALTz_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:09:48 antephialtic has quit 08:28:53 c--O-O has quit 08:28:53 c--O-O has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:29:05 Guest70237 has quit 08:29:05 Guest70237 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:36:52 adam3us has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43:28 MoALTz_ has quit 08:44:07 shinybro has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48:25 adam3us has quit 08:50:53 adam3us has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:51:43 nsh_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:54:19 nsh has quit 08:55:28 adam3us has quit 09:00:12 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:01:47 rdymac has quit 09:04:53 rdymac has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:07:39 nsh__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:11:35 nsh_ has quit 09:12:02 gmaxwell has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:12:08 gmaxwell has quit 09:12:08 gmaxwell has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:18:43 Guest70237 has quit 09:18:56 Guest70237 has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:20:23 antephialtic has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:20:38 Guest70237 is now known as Muis 09:20:58 Muis has quit 09:20:59 Muis has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:20:59 Muis has quit 09:20:59 Muis has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:25:03 antephialtic has quit 09:31:02 nsh__ has quit 09:31:02 nsh__ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:31:08 nsh__ is now known as nsh 09:40:28 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has quit 09:42:02 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46:59 Is Eligius the only pool that pays miners in coinbase? 09:47:23 Actually, no it's not -- p2pool does too. 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At the time this worked okay (though the resulting wallet.dat was like 2GBytes) 10:56:38 Didn't think to bring up the GUI and make a screenshot. 10:58:19 heh 10:58:50 i'm more jealous of their having a coveted @example.com email address 10:59:48 yeah, I expect to get blackmail threats about handing that domain over 11:00:00 rdymac has quit 11:01:53 rdymac has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:06:31 * nsh smiles 11:14:20 mappum_ has quit 11:26:11 <_ingsoc> _ingsoc has quit 11:27:09 mappum_ has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28:49 oooooo has quit 16:03:34 andytoshi-logbot has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:03:34 topic is: "Bitcoin research, hardfork wishlist, ideas for the future - see also: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardfork_Wishlist https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/alt_ideas. This channel is logged at http://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizards/. 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