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00:22:47 <maaku> jgarzik: speaking of which: http://lunarinitiatives.com/lunarworkshops.com/home
00:22:51 <maaku> to the moon!
00:23:24 <maaku> (there's a lunar cubes workshop there)
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01:03:43 <maaku> is it possible to encrypt to 1-of-N keys?
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01:05:58 <maaku> e.g. to do ECDH with a combined key requiring 1-of-N keys to complete the protocol
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01:36:56 <gmaxwell> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers  :-/
01:47:14 <andytoshi> <.<. sounds like eff has a pretty solid case tho
01:47:26 <andytoshi> * andytoshi is formally operating from canada from now on, even so
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02:05:58 <maaku> * maaku needs the protection of a canadian shell company...
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10:31:22 <adam3us> maaku: 1 of n encryption.  at least inefficiently yes just encrypt a random sym key for each of n derived using respective ECDH pub keys.  directly maybe.  i presume you need non-interactively otherwise the interactive 3 party / n-party DH could be used.  perhaps the non-interactive weil-pairing could be another way.  otherwise as a starting point A=rG, B=m+rQ decrypt m=B-dA A is random.
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10:33:48 <adam3us> maaku: alternatively send 1 of n secret shared encoding of m using k=dQ=eP from each of the n recipients? using k as the missing coefficients in n-1 equations or something like that
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12:20:02 <adam3us> musing about spv committed tx.  senders provide keys to committed tx to winning miners.  after 6-confirmations there are up to 6 miners who have keys to decrypt the current block.  to the extent you trust 6 random miners without the additional enforcement of full nodes being able to validate.  then you have privacy (up to the trustworthiness of 6 random miners to not record keys after 6-confirms)
12:25:13 <adam3us> then you can (up to not independently validatable but spv-proof like security) respend committed tx without revealing full tx history.  a spent committed coin is valid to the recipient just by presence of coin in 6-confirms block and key to decrypt forward (but not backward) given to the recipient, and repeat.
12:26:52 <adam3us> kinda weak, but i thought it an interesting thought experiment.  this form of spv is weaker because no history past 6 blocks is considered by miners.  bitcoin does full history back to genesis or to snapshot.
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15:47:10 <maaku> adam3us: yes, it'd be non-interactive. the use case is group communication for coinjoin messages
15:47:50 <maaku> the offer is broadcast in plaintext, and has both a NetAddr (IP/Tor service + port) and public key
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15:49:08 <maaku> just as a matter of efficiency, so you don't have to separately do ECDH and symmetric encryption for each participant
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16:14:26 <adam3us> maaku: not a huge help but ECIES would work, eg k=d*Q=e*G, c=m+k
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16:15:36 <adam3us> maaku: one 256-bit ciphertext per recipient, if the Q, P are already known (should be k=d*Q=e*P above)
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19:59:47 <maaku> but it'd be nice to eliminate the more expensive EC operations
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