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00:01:39 <jtimon> isn't getBlock template the same thing as GBT ?
00:02:03 <sipa> yes
00:03:30 <sipa> i assume it's a typo, but i've no idea for what
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04:10:14 <tt_away> It's late and I'm tired and going through ProtoShares source code; does PTS only use SHA512 as a hash function?  It mentions sCrypt in the white paper, but I'm not seeing it.
04:10:54 <tt_away> Also these indentations ahhhhhHHHH
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05:02:01 <Luke-Jr> tt_away: this is #Bitcoin-Dev
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08:55:32 <adam3us> tt_away: i believe the momentum pow in the code diverges from what they said in the paper
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09:04:30 <super3> while it certainly is better, memory hard doesn't work as intended
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10:34:09 <adam3us> tt_away: in fact momentum was never to my tastes described anywhere clearly and simply.  the actual mechanism is simple.  compute small hashcash collisions (25-bits i recall?) with a constrained nonce search-space (also 25-bits) to control the maximum amount of memory you can usefully use for it
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15:06:26 <wavedigit_> hi I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm apparently banned in #bitcoin(-otc)
15:06:44 <wavedigit_> I need a VPS which accepts BTC, which is not BitVPS
15:06:51 <vbuterin> microtronix
15:07:09 <wavedigit_> thanks, I'll take a look at that
15:07:52 <sipa> oh hi, vbuterin
15:08:18 <vbuterin> hey sipa
15:08:33 <sipa> nice to see you on irc
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15:14:49 <pigeons> wavedigit_: #bitcoin-hosting
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15:15:15 <wavedigit_> thanks pigeons :)
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15:31:54 <wavedigit_> vbuterin: do you perhaps know any good VPS provider with servers in the EU? I also can't find any good information on what kind of processors those VM's run on there.
15:32:15 <sipa> i have a vps with cloudvps, in .nl
15:34:05 <wavedigit_> sipa: do they accept BTC?
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15:35:04 <sipa> don't think so
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15:38:18 <wavedigit_> oh hey I found this - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Virtual_private_server and - http://www.exoticvps.com/ (search for bitcoin there)
15:38:31 <wavedigit_> but I have really no idea which one has a good track record
15:41:30 <jgarzik> wavedigit_, offtopic for this channel.  There are a bunch listed at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
15:41:47 <wavedigit_> ah yeah forgot, sorry
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15:58:39 <gavinandresen_> the core dev machine (hosts bitcoincore.org, the pull-tester, and a couple other VMs) is paid for with bitcoin, hosted at snelserver.com…
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16:10:23 <wavedigit_> gavinandresen_: you guys should consider letting them advertise that they accept BTC, also it seems they're doing dedicated stuff only.
16:11:25 <gavinandresen_> wavedigit_: "letting them advertise" ???  they don't need permission
16:12:26 <wavedigit_> right, I meant letting them know to place a bitcoin logo or otherwise announce that they accept BTC
16:13:21 <sipa> that's their business
16:13:27 <sipa> #bitcoin please
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16:21:13 <TD> gavinandresen_: so, any thoughts on doing the fee drop for a 0.9.1 release? or maybe including it in a rc2? as now we know, 0.9 will ship without smartfees
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16:28:29 <gavinandresen_> I want to get smartfees done for 0.9.1
16:28:48 <TD> would that not make it a 0.10? :)
16:29:13 <gavinandresen_> I don't think so… I'd consider smartfees a bugfix, not a new feature
16:29:38 <gavinandresen_> it is a bug that you can (today) send a free transaction that might take a long time to confirm
16:30:09 <gavinandresen_> … or you can send a fee-paying transaction that takes a long time to confirm
16:30:28 <jgarzik> agree with latter
16:30:33 <TD> i guess i see it as more of a new feature, as i'm still hoping it will add to the p2p protocol so bitcoinj can use it. but there's no reason there can't be a fast turnaround on a 0.10
16:30:48 <jgarzik> free transactions are always a gamble, depending on network burstiness
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16:31:12 <gavinandresen_> the free transaction threshold is just wrong these days.
16:31:12 <jgarzik> agree that smartfees are a bugfix
16:31:14 <TD> i mean the software is working "as designed", right, so it's not a bug in that sense. perhaps a design fault
16:31:24 <jgarzik> the user experience sucks
16:31:26 <jgarzik> is the core problem
16:31:27 <TD> but if smartfees are a bugfix, then is chain pruning a bug fix?
16:31:36 <TD> jgarzik: lol. you can sum up all of bitcoin that way :)
16:31:42 <jgarzik> ;p
16:32:02 <gavinandresen_> sure, chain pruning could be considered a "uses too much disk space" bug fix… the line is fuzzy
16:32:42 <jgarzik> Two of my years-long wishes for basic bitcoin usability have been:  (1) Get fees right 95% of the time, (2) Deterministic lifetime: if user guesses wrong, most nodes forget TX after 24-48 hours
16:33:05 <jgarzik> I consider those longstanding "bugs"
16:33:13 <jgarzik> and smartfees gets us a long way towards fixing #1
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16:34:25 <gavinandresen_> I wonder if we should skip 0.10 and go to 0.11… 0.10 looks too much like 1.0
16:34:39 <gavinandresen_> and eleven is such a nice number
16:34:50 <jgarzik> you and 11 ;p
16:35:48 <jgarzik> we could always put an 8 in any version (0.11.8, 0.12.8) because the Chinese consider 8 a lucky number
16:36:22 <gavinandresen_> Then 88 would be even better
16:37:40 <jgarzik> Our local Chinese take-out place is named 888 for this reason.
16:37:42 <TD> you're going to take it to 11?
16:37:56 <jgarzik> Because 888 is even better than 88.  :)
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23:23:10 <michagogo|cloud> Luke-Jr: No, it's not :P
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